The Litigation Psychology Podcast
The Litigation Psychology Podcast presented by Courtroom Sciences, Inc. (CSI) is a podcast for in-house and outside defense counsel and insurance claims personnel about the intersection of science and litigation. We explore topics of interest to the defense bar, with a particular emphasis on subjects that don‘t get enough attention. Our hosts are experts in Clinical Psychology, Social Psychology, and scientifically-based jury research with a wealth of knowledge about science, research, human behavior, and decision making, which they apply in the context of civil litigation.
Episodes
4 days ago
4 days ago
Medical malpractice trial attorney Tad Eckenrode joins Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. to talk about the latest issues they are seeing in med mal cases. Tad and Bill discuss developments they are seeing recently including the increase in the number of 7-figure med mal cases as well as more openness from defense clients on investing in jury research to understand what these cases are really worth to help inform whether they should settle or go to trial. Tad shares the value he sees in collecting insights from mock jurors early in the life of the case, particularly during discovery and especially prior to mediation, to help shape how he approaches the strategic plan for the case and to inform the mediator of what his research shows the case is really worth. Tad and Bill talk about Gen Z jurors, artificial intelligence (AI), and attracting and retaining associates and giving them experience to help them develop and learn. They also describe examples of different witness situations and the challenges with preparing witnesses in these scenarios, including working with the growing population of physician assistants and nurse practitioners. Lastly, Tad and Bill talk about the risks of witness pivoting and how to handle witnesses who come into deposition prep with a high level of anger. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/1EM
Monday Jan 27, 2025
Monday Jan 27, 2025
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. joins host Steve Wood, Ph.D. to discuss five (5) problematic witness types. Steve and Bill talk about who these witnesses are, how to identify them, and how to work with each type of witness:
1) The overly agreeable witness - a witness who is willing to agree with everything opposing counsel says or implies; 2) The defensive witness - someone who wants to argue or won't agree with even basic facts; 3) The angry witness - a witness whose rage about many/all aspects of the litigation prevent them from working constructively with the legal team and/or who are defensive in their demeanor; 4) The apathetic witness - a witness who appears uncaring; 5) The experienced witness - a potentially arrogant witness who has prior experience with testifying and therefore may believe they know what to do and what to expect which could lead to a compromised performance during testimony.
Each witness type can potentially fall victim to fight, flight, or freeze responses. Fight is an argumentative response when a witness wants to argue and defend their actions. Flight is when the witness feels scared or triggered and responds in a way to pacify the questioner via explanations and sharing too much information. And the freeze response is when the witness simply agrees with the assertions of the questioner and doesn't want to contradict them. Effective witness training requires proper neurocognitive assessment of the witness to determine their cognitive, emotional, and behavioral state and an appropriate amount of time to identify potential psychological barriers that will prevent the witness from fully understanding and embracing the training and prep so their testimony can be effective. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/O5F
Monday Jan 20, 2025
Monday Jan 20, 2025
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. shares ideas on how to upgrade your voir dire by applying measurement. One of the primary purposes of voir dire is to elicit information and Bill talks about ways to extract information from jurors to get accurate responses. Bill discusses how to handle oral questioning during voir dire, including the use of a 0-10 scale and asking jurors to give one reason for their number. After going over the scientific methodology for this approach to data collection, Bill talks about the art aspect of voir dire: the setup of the question, the answer set/options given to the jurors, and what to do with their answers. As an example, when you get negative information from a juror, you don't want to punish that juror with your reaction because you want to identify other jurors who share that same perspective so you can strike them. Reacting negatively to a juror's response could shut down other jurors who may feel the same way but want to avoid your negative reaction. Lastly, Bill talks about how to do this in Federal court or if you are really short on time. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/Psf
Monday Jan 13, 2025
Monday Jan 13, 2025
Steve Wood, Ph.D. and Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. answer the latest podcast listener mail:
- When doing jury research and there is a confidentiality issue, should I use real names or fake names?- Should I advocate when doing jury research? - What are the benefits of a focus group over a mock trial?- How should I handle testing evidence that may or may not come in at trial?- What are the advantages and disadvantages of doing focus groups or mock trials virtually vs. in-person?- How much should I prepare my witness with information prior to their deposition? - Do jurors make up their minds about the case right after opening statements?
Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/QEX
Monday Jan 06, 2025
Monday Jan 06, 2025
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. talks about witness preparation and the benefits of using an alternate questioner during mock questioning. Bill shares details on how the CSI witness training program works by building a foundation based on psychology. The first phase of the training is educational and focuses on cognition, behavior, and emotion and how the brain operates in its natural state and how we need it to work during testimony. Once the psychological foundation is built, then strategy can take place, which is the second phase of the training. Bill talks about the benefits of recruiting another attorney to roleplay plaintiff's counsel during the mock questioning portion of the witness training. Bill also shares ideas about how to leverage exposure theory and operant conditioning to help guide the witness during their mock questioning and how this is easier to do if you have an alternate questioner. Lastly, Bill suggests that including younger associates or early career attorneys in the witness preparation process is good practice for them, discusses how you know if your witness is ready for their testimony, and how to handle schedule changes with depositions. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/SZ9
Monday Dec 16, 2024
Monday Dec 16, 2024
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. and Steve Wood, Ph.D. are joined by NYC trial attorney Tony Battista of Condon & Forsyth LLP in the second part of their discussion about a high profile trial they recently worked on together. The group talks about their approach for opening statements, how many drafts of the opening they had, how many versions they tested with mock jurors, and how they dealt with all of the bad stuff in their case in the opening. Tony shares his strategy for cross-examination and his philosophy on dealing with judges. Tony also discusses how he developed his closing for a 14-week trial and the group talk about how to define a win in any case. Bill, Steve, and Tony share how they maintained their mental and physical health during this lengthy trial preparation process and what some of their key takeaways were from working on this huge case. Lastly, Tony shares insights on how he gets the younger attorneys in his firm training and experience. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/VZF
Monday Dec 09, 2024
Monday Dec 09, 2024
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. and Steve Wood, Ph.D. are joined by NYC trial attorney Tony Battista of Condon & Forsyth LLP in the first of a two-part discussion on trial techniques and details on a large aviation fatality case that they recently worked on together. Tony shares his background, talks about how he approaches highly complicated cases, and how he keeps a positive perspective when experiencing difficult days during trial. Tony describes how his team responds to an aviation accident at the time of the incident and what the legal team does to address the emotions of witnesses who are processing a highly tragic situation, including how they manage challenging depositions with these witnesses. Steve shares details behind the jury research conducted for this case and the group talks about the importance of testing and re-testing strategies, themes, concepts, and other ideas that the legal team have to ensure that research-support data are driving decisions and not individual team member biases. Tony, Bill, and Steve also discuss jury selection, the research-based juror profile they developed for voir dire and the importance of sticking with the data-supported profile even when it may seem counter-intuitive to some members of the legal team. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/FR3
Monday Dec 02, 2024
Monday Dec 02, 2024
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. shares a list of dirty little tricks used by opposing counsel at deposition that can cause issues for witnesses who have not been trained and prepared for these devious tricks. 1. Repetition of questions (i.e., negative reinforcement) 2. Getting the witness on the Yes Train (lull the witness into an agreement pattern) 3. Using silence after a witness's answer to get the witness to share more 4. Asking for clarification on simple points 5. Being friendly (get the witness to drop their guard) 6. Appealing to the witness's ego 7. Asking the witness to help them understand a witness's answer 8. Triggering the witness to have an emotional reaction 9. Having witnesses check the box next to questions printed out on sheets of paper 10. Asking the witness personal questions, particularly about their family 11. Asking the witness a question while holding a document as if the question is on/from the document
Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/a3Q
Friday Nov 22, 2024
Friday Nov 22, 2024
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. is joined by JFK assassination expert, journalist, and author Jefferson Morley to discuss the latest updates on the still unreleased government documents associated with the JFK assassination. Jefferson provides an overview of where things stand currently with release of JFK assassination documents, particularly with regards to the active litigation around these records' release. Bill and Jefferson compare and contrast the JFK assassination to the assassination attempts on President Reagan and President Trump. They also talk about what people may not know or realize about the JFK assassination. Lastly, Bill and Jefferson talk about the state of journalism today. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/dQe
Monday Nov 18, 2024
Monday Nov 18, 2024
Bill Kanasky, Jr., Ph.D. is joined by Associate Attorney Jeffrey Oates, Attorney Kristin Petty, and Attorney Jason Preciphs from the law firm of Roberts, Carroll, Feldstein, and Peirce. Bill's guests describe the diverse types of cases their firm works on, how their firm attracts and retains associates, and how they provide growth opportunities for their attorneys while also growing the firm. The group share how they talk to clients about getting early career attorneys in their firm the experience they need to be beneficial to the firm's clients. Bill asks the attorneys what surprised them about civil litigation when they first got involved in it and what advice what they would give to younger attorneys. The group have a discussion about artificial intelligence (AI) in legal, what their firm's philosophy is regarding AI, and how they use AI personally. Bill asks the guests how they talk with their clients about the definition of a win and how to help clients realize the benefits of working up cases earlier, particularly by using focus groups. Lastly, the group talks about how they each protect their mental and physical health and maintain a healthy work/life balance in a highly stressful environment and career. Watch the video of this episode: https://www.courtroomsciences.com/r/LfO